Legalize All Drugs

Re: Legalize All Drugs

Dawg,

Im glad someone else brought this out, I have changed my tune here. I agree with you almost totally.


Certainly glad that you do, Matt, but I do hope that you came to your conclusions on your own.

What gets lost in all the emotion of this particular subject is that just because a person shouldn't do something, does not mean that we need to use the force of government to prevent them from doing it.

[SIZE=+1]Why is Marijuana Illegal?

[/SIZE]A brief history of the criminalization of cannabis

Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.
The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.


You'll also see that the history of marijuana's criminalization is filled with:

  • Racism
  • Fear
  • Protection of Corporate Profits
  • Yellow Journalism
  • Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
  • Personal Career Advancement and Greed
These are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal.

Background For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It's not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it's been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy.


The marijuana (hemp) plant, of course, has an incredible number of uses. The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, and over the centuries the plant was used for food, incense, cloth, rope, and much more. This adds to some of the confusion over its introduction in the United States, as the plant was well known from the early 1600's, but did not reach public awareness as a recreational drug until the early 1900's.


America's first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law "ordering" all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other "must grow" laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp -- try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements - rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth.


The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp "plantations" (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.


The Mexican Connection
In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing's army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.


One of the "differences" seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them.
However, the first state law outlawing marijuana did so not because of Mexicans using the drug. Oddly enough, it was because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church was not pleased and ruled against use of the drug. Since the state of Utah automatically enshrined church doctrine into law, the first state marijuana prohibition was established in 1915. (Today, Senator Orrin Hatch serves as the prohibition arm of this heavily church-influenced state.)


Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.


When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator's comment: "When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff... he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies." In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: "All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy."


Jazz and Assassins
In the eastern states, the "problem" was attributed to a combination of Latin Americans and black jazz musicians. Marijuana and jazz traveled from New Orleans to Chicago, and then to Harlem, where marijuana became an indispensable part of the music scene, even entering the language of the black hits of the time (Louis Armstrong's "Muggles", Cab Calloway's "That Funny Reefer Man", Fats Waller's "Viper's Drag").


Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."

Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the "assassins." Early stories of Marco Polo had told of "hasheesh-eaters" or hashashin, from which derived the term "assassin." In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler's garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler's wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.


By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: "Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp." Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.


Alcohol Prohibition and Federal Approaches to Drug Prohibition
During this time, the United States was also dealing with alcohol prohibition, which lasted from 1919 to 1933. Alcohol prohibition was extremely visible and debated at all levels, while drug laws were passed without the general public's knowledge. National alcohol prohibition happened through the mechanism of an amendment to the constitution.


Earlier (1914), the Harrison Act was passed, which provided federal tax penalties for opiates and cocaine.


The federal approach is important. It was considered at the time that the federal government did not have the constitutional power to outlaw alcohol or drugs. It is because of this that alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment.


At that time in our country's history, the judiciary regularly placed the tenth amendment in the path of congressional regulation of "local" affairs, and direct regulation of medical practice was considered beyond congressional power under the commerce clause (since then, both provisions have been weakened so far as to have almost no meaning).

Since drugs could not be outlawed at the federal level, the decision was made to use federal taxes as a way around the restriction. In the Harrison Act, legal uses of opiates and cocaine were taxed (supposedly as a revenue need by the federal government, which is the only way it would hold up in the courts), and those who didn't follow the law found themselves in trouble with the treasury department.


In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established -- the Federal Bureau of Narcotics -- and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.


Harry J. Anslinger
Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity -- a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn't be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.


Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. He also promoted and frequently read from "Gore Files" -- wild reefer-madness-style exploitation tales of ax murderers on marijuana and sex and... Negroes. Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
And he loved to pull out his own version of the "assassin" definition:

"In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs' 'hashashin' that we have the English word 'assassin.'"
Yellow Journalism Harry Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn't want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

Some samples from the San Francisco Examiner:

"Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days -- Hashish goads users to bloodlust."

"By the tons it is coming into this country -- the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms.... Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him...."
And other nationwide columns...

"Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug."

"Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim's life in Los Angeles?... THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES -- that is a matter of cold record."

Hearst and Anslinger were then supported by Dupont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. Dupont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies.

This all set the stage for...
The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.
After two years of secret planning, Anslinger brought his plan to Congress -- complete with a scrapbook full of sensational Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs.

It was a remarkably short set of hearings.

The one fly in Anslinger's ointment was the appearance by Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association.

Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger's view.

He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana (or marihuana) was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people's minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren't even aware of it.

Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee:

"That there is a certain amount of narcotic addiction of an objectionable character no one will deny. The newspapers have called attention to it so prominently that there must be some grounds for [their] statements [even Woodward was partially taken in by Hearst's propaganda]. It has surprised me, however, that the facts on which these statements have been based have not been brought before this committee by competent primary evidence. We are referred to newspaper publications concerning the prevalence of marihuana addiction. We are told that the use of marihuana causes crime.

But yet no one has been produced from the Bureau of Prisons to show the number of prisoners who have been found addicted to the marihuana habit. An informed inquiry shows that the Bureau of Prisons has no evidence on that point.

You have been told that school children are great users of marihuana cigarettes. No one has been summoned from the Children's Bureau to show the nature and extent of the habit, among children.

Inquiry of the Children's Bureau shows that they have had no occasion to investigate it and know nothing particularly of it.

Inquiry of the Office of Education--- and they certainly should know something of the prevalence of the habit among the school children of the country, if there is a prevalent habit--- indicates that they have had no occasion to investigate and know nothing of it.

Moreover, there is in the Treasury Department itself, the Public Health Service, with its Division of Mental Hygiene. The Division of Mental Hygiene was, in the first place, the Division of Narcotics. It was converted into the Division of Mental Hygiene, I think, about 1930. That particular Bureau has control at the present time of the narcotics farms that were created about 1929 or 1930 and came into operation a few years later. No one has been summoned from that Bureau to give evidence on that point.

Informal inquiry by me indicates that they have had no record of any marihuana of Cannabis addicts who have ever been committed to those farms.

The bureau of Public Health Service has also a division of pharmacology. If you desire evidence as to the pharmacology of Cannabis, that obviously is the place where you can get direct and primary evidence, rather than the indirect hearsay evidence."
Committee members then proceeded to attack Dr. Woodward, questioning his motives in opposing the legislation. Even the Chairman joined in:

The Chairman: If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals, rather than criticism, rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the Federal Government is trying to do. It has not only an unselfish motive in this, but they have a serious responsibility.

Dr. Woodward: We cannot understand yet, Mr. Chairman, why this bill should have been prepared in secret for 2 years without any intimation, even, to the profession, that it was being prepared.
After some further bantering...

The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington Times:
The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.

The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.

The result is tragic.

School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.

High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.

This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.

The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.​
That is a pretty severe indictment. They say it is a national question and that it requires effective legislation. Of course, in a general way, you have responded to all of these statements; but that indicates very clearly that it is an evil of such magnitude that it is recognized by the press of the country as such.
And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.

The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:

Member from upstate New York: "Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"

Speaker Rayburn: "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind."

"Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"

Member on the committee jumps up and says: "Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent."
And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.


The entire coverage in the New York Times: "President Roosevelt signed today a bill to curb traffic in the narcotic, marihuana, through heavy taxes on transactions."


Anslinger as precursor to the Drug Czars
Anslinger was essentially the first Drug Czar. Even though the term didn't exist until William Bennett's position as director of the White House Office of National Drug Policy, Anslinger acted in a similar fashion. In fact, there are some amazing parallels between Anslinger and the current Drug Czar John Walters. Both had kind of a carte blanche to go around demonizing drugs and drug users. Both had resources and a large public podium for their voice to be heard and to promote their personal agenda. Both lied constantly, often when it was unnecessary. Both were racists. Both had the ear of lawmakers, and both realized that they could persuade legislators and others based on lies, particularly if they could co-opt the media into squelching or downplaying any opposition views.


Anslinger even had the ability to circumvent the First Amendment. He banned the Canadian movie "Drug Addict," a 1946 documentary that realistically depicted the drug addicts and law enforcement efforts. He even tried to get Canada to ban the movie in their own country, or failing that, to prevent U.S. citizens from seeing the movie in Canada. Canada refused. (Today, Drug Czar John Walters is trying to bully Canada into keeping harsh marijuana laws.)


Anslinger had 37 years to solidify the propaganda and stifle opposition. The lies continued the entire time (although the stories would adjust -- the 21 year old Florida boy who killed his family of five got younger each time he told it). In 1961, he looked back at his efforts:

"Much of the most irrational juvenile violence and that has written a new chapter of shame and tragedy is traceable directly to this hemp intoxication. A gang of boys tear the clothes from two school girls and rape the screaming girls, one boy after the other. A sixteen-year-old kills his entire family of five in Florida, a man in Minnesota puts a bullet through the head of a stranger on the road; in Colorado husband tries to shoot his wife, kills her grandmother instead and then kills himself. Every one of these crimes had been proceeded [sic] by the smoking of one or more marijuana "reefers." As the marijuana situation grew worse, I knew action had to be taken to get the proper legislation passed. By 1937 under my direction, the Bureau launched two important steps First, a legislative plan to seek from Congress a new law that would place marijuana and its distribution directly under federal control. Second, on radio and at major forums, such that presented annually by the New York Herald Tribune, I told the story of this evil weed of the fields and river beds and roadsides. I wrote articles for magazines; our agents gave hundreds of lectures to parents, educators, social and civic leaders. In network broadcasts I reported on the growing list of crimes, including murder and rape. I described the nature of marijuana and its close kinship to hashish. I continued to hammer at the facts.

I believe we did a thorough job, for the public was alerted and the laws to protect them were passed, both nationally and at the state level. We also brought under control the wild growing marijuana in this country. Working with local authorities, we cleaned up hundreds of acres of marijuana and we uprooted plants sprouting along the roadsides."

After Anslinger
On a break from college in the 70s, I was visiting a church in rural Illinois. There in the literature racks in the back of the church was a lurid pamphlet about the evils of marijuana -- all the old reefer madness propaganda about how it caused insanity and murder. I approached the minister and said "You can't have this in your church. It's all lies, and the church shouldn't be about promoting lies." Fortunately, my dad believed me, and he had the material removed. He didn't even know how it got there. But without me speaking up, neither he nor the other members of the church had any reason NOT to believe what the pamphlet said. The propaganda machine had been that effective.


The narrative since then has been a continual litany of:

  • Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime and passing tougher penalties
  • Constant increases in spending on law enforcement and prisons
  • Racist application of drug laws
  • Taxpayer funded propaganda
  • Stifling of opposition speech
  • Political contributions from corporations that profit from marijuana being illegal (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc.)
... but that's another whole story.

This account only scratches the surface of the story. If you want to know more about the history of marijuana, Harry Anslinger, and the saga of criminalization in the United States and elsewhere, visit some of the excellent links below. (All data and quotes for this piece came from these sources as well).


The History of the Non-Medical Use of Drugs in the United States by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law, USC Law School. A Speech to the California Judges Association 1995 annual conference.
THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE: AN INQUIRY INTO THE LEGAL HISTORY OF AMERICAN MARIJUANA PROHIBITION by Richard J. Bonnie & Charles H. Whitebread, II. VIRGINIA LAW REVIEW. VOLUME 56 OCTOBER 1970 NUMBER 6
The Consumers Union Report - Licit and Illicit Drugs by Edward M. Brecher and the Editors of Consumer Reports Magazine
The History of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 By David F. Musto, M.D., New Haven, Conn. Originally published in Arch. Gen. Psychiat. Volume 26, February, 1972
The Report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse I. Control of Marihuana, Alcohol and Tobacco. History of Marihuana Legislation
The Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. The history of how the Marihuana Tax Act came to be the law of the land.
Marijuana - The First Twelve Thousand Years by Ernest L. Abel, 1980


http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
 
Re: Legalize All Drugs

Contrarian-

With all due respect, and i am saying with all due respect, your post was one of the most close minded, offensive, simple minded things i have ever read on this topic...

::LMAO::

You're offended? Well now...I'm offended that you're offended. Where do we go from here?

The War on Drugs, like the War on Terror, is hoax, a fraud, a tool to be used and manipulated.

This is a statement that could only be made by someone who USES psychedelic drugs.

You ridicule, call people offensive names, and worst, you cast judgement upon people whom you have no right...

I don't have a right to cast judgment on people?

OF COURSE I DO!

Fact: Psychedelic drug users are some of the most narcissistic, idiotic contemptibly mentally WEAK people one could ever encounter.

What more can be said about this...

Please explain the LOGIC of injecting/ingesting harmful (often fatal) chemicals into one's body for the sole purpose of altering one's EMOTIONAL STATE.

Drug users (much like you -- from some of the statements you are making) have issues DEALING WITH REALITY.

:doh1

In a truly free society, there should be no laws to protect an individual from himself.

You assume virtually every civilized society on the planet has adopted some degree of drug prohibition to "protect an individual from himself."

Do you honestly believe this?

Or are you suggesting that every country in the world you would actually want to live in is somehow loosely involved in this deep yet elusive "conspiracy" in order to cramp your lifestyle?

*double :doh1:doh1 *

The fact is, I could provide link after link, photo after photo and statistics after statistics of empirical evidence that clearly proves these anti-drug laws are necessary to protect OTHER PEOPLE living around the said individual who chooses to fry his brain and body consuming psychedelic drugs.

I gave two of the most famous examples -- Amsterdam and San Fran-sissy-co -- which of course you conveniently ignored.

Joe Contrarian, you do not have the authority to tell another grown adult what she may or may not partake in.

The hell I don't.

If your reckless/dangerous behavior becomes a danger to those around you, you bet your damn life it's my business.

Please review my previous statement:

Psychedelic drug users have issues dealing with REALITY (personal demons they have yet to overcome).

If you were isolated on an island with no outside contact with anyone except your damn, selfish stupid self, your statement *might* have some merit, but in the REAL WORLD, any state, city or county that legalizes drugs will be forced into carrying the burden of the social fallout.

Half of the world can't figure out what makes the other half happy.

Step one to achieving long term happiness is to realize life isn't about scouring the streets searching for that ultimate high.

:+signs1-6

The US Federal Government does not have the authority to outlaw all drugs. That is illegal, not to mention unconstitutional...

Where does it mention this?

::LMAO::

Change your name from Joe Contrarian to Joe Sheep like it should be...

fuck you very much and all who share your offensive, simple minded views

Hopefully one of these days a moral imbecile like you will understand the United States was founded on the principle of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" not "death, bondage and the pursuit of instant gratification." :thumbsup

"Legalize all drugs"....

::LMAO::::LMAO::::LMAO::::LMAO::
 
Re: Legalize All Drugs

Don’t Legalize Drugs

Theodore Dalrymple

Advocates have almost convinced Americans that legalization will remove most of the evil that drugs inflict on society. Don’t believe them.

There is a progression in the minds of men: first the unthinkable becomes thinkable, and then it becomes an orthodoxy whose truth seems so obvious that no one remembers that anyone ever thought differently. This is just what is happening with the idea of legalizing drugs: it has reached the stage when with the idea of legalizing drugs: it has reached the stage when millions of thinking men are agreed that allowing people to take whatever they like is the obvious, indeed only, solution to the social problems that arise from the consumption of drugs.

Man’s desire to take mind-altering substances is as old as society itself—as are attempts to regulate their consumption. If intoxication in one form or another is inevitable, then so is customary or legal restraint upon that intoxication. But no society until our own has had to contend with the ready availability of so many different mind-altering drugs, combined with a citizenry jealous of its right to pursue its own pleasures in its own way.

The arguments in favor of legalizing the use of all narcotic and stimulant drugs are twofold: philosophical and pragmatic. Neither argument is negligible, but both are mistaken, I believe, and both miss the point.

The philosophic argument is that, in a free society, adults should be permitted to do whatever they please, always provided that they are prepared to take the consequences of their own choices and that they cause no direct harm to others. The locus classicus for this point of view is John Stuart Mill’s famous essay On Liberty: “The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of the community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others,” Mill wrote. “His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant.” This radical individualism allows society no part whatever in shaping, determining, or enforcing a moral code: in short, we have nothing in common but our contractual agreement not to interfere with one another as we go about seeking our private pleasures.

In practice, of course, it is exceedingly difficult to make people take all the consequences of their own actions—as they must, if Mill’s great principle is to serve as a philosophical guide to policy. Addiction to, or regular use of, most currently prohibited drugs cannot affect only the person who takes them—and not his spouse, children, neighbors, or employers. No man, except possibly a hermit, is an island; and so it is virtually impossible for Mill’s principle to apply to any human action whatever, let alone shooting up heroin or smoking crack. Such a principle is virtually useless in determining what should or should not be permitted.

Perhaps we ought not be too harsh on Mill’s principle: it’s not clear that anyone has ever thought of a better one. But that is precisely the point. Human affairs cannot be decided by an appeal to an infallible rule, expressible in a few words, whose simple application can decide all cases, including whether drugs should be freely available to the entire adult population. Philosophical fundamentalism is not preferable to the religious variety; and because the desiderata of human life are many, and often in conflict with one another, mere philosophical inconsistency in policy—such as permitting the consumption of alcohol while outlawing cocaine—is not a sufficient argument against that policy. We all value freedom, and we all value order; sometimes we sacrifice freedom for order, and sometimes order for freedom. But once a prohibition has been removed, it is hard to restore, even when the newfound freedom proves to have been ill-conceived and socially disastrous.

Even Mill came to see the limitations of his own principle as a guide for policy and to deny that all pleasures were of equal significance for human existence. It was better, he said, to be Socrates discontented than a fool satisfied. Mill acknowledged that some goals were intrinsically worthier of pursuit than others.

This being the case, not all freedoms are equal, and neither are all limitations of freedom: some are serious and some trivial. The freedom we cherish—or should cherish—is not merely that of satisfying our appetites, whatever they happen to be. We are not Dickensian Harold Skimpoles, exclaiming in protest that “Even the butterflies are free!” We are not children who chafe at restrictions because they are restrictions. And we even recognize the apparent paradox that some limitations to our freedoms have the consequence of making us freer overall. The freest man is not the one who slavishly follows his appetites and desires throughout his life—as all too many of my patients have discovered to their cost.

We are prepared to accept limitations to our freedoms for many reasons, not just that of public order. Take an extreme hypothetical case: public exhibitions of necrophilia are quite rightly not permitted, though on Mill’s principle they should be. A corpse has no interests and cannot be harmed, because it is no longer a person; and no member of the public is harmed if he has agreed to attend such an exhibition.

Our resolve to prohibit such exhibitions would not be altered if we discovered that millions of people wished to attend them or even if we discovered that millions already were attending them illicitly. Our objection is not based upon pragmatic considerations or upon a head count: it is based upon the wrongness of the would-be exhibitions themselves. The fact that the prohibition represents a genuine restriction of our freedom is of no account.

It might be argued that the freedom to choose among a variety of intoxicating substances is a much more important freedom and that millions of people have derived innocent fun from taking stimulants and narcotics. But the consumption of drugs has the effect of reducing men’s freedom by circumscribing the range of their interests. It impairs their ability to pursue more important human aims, such as raising a family and fulfilling civic obligations. Very often it impairs their ability to pursue gainful employment and promotes parasitism. Moreover, far from being expanders of consciousness, most drugs severely limit it. One of the most striking characteristics of drug takers is their intense and tedious self-absorption; and their journeys into inner space are generally forays into inner vacuums. Drug taking is a lazy man’s way of pursuing happiness and wisdom, and the shortcut turns out to be the deadest of dead ends. We lose remarkably little by not being permitted to take drugs.

The idea that freedom is merely the ability to act upon one’s whims is surely very thin and hardly begins to capture the complexities of human existence; a man whose appetite is his law strikes us not as liberated but enslaved. And when such a narrowly conceived freedom is made the touchstone of public policy, a dissolution of society is bound to follow. No culture that makes publicly sanctioned self-indulgence its highest good can long survive: a radical egotism is bound to ensue, in which any limitations upon personal behavior are experienced as infringements of basic rights. Distinctions between the important and the trivial, between the freedom to criticize received ideas and the freedom to take LSD, are precisely the standards that keep societies from barbarism.

So the legalization of drugs cannot be supported by philosophical principle. But if the pragmatic argument in favor of legalization were strong enough, it might overwhelm other objections. It is upon this argument that proponents of legalization rest the larger part of their case.

The argument is that the overwhelming majority of the harm done to society by the consumption of currently illicit drugs is caused not by their pharmacological properties but by their prohibition and the resultant criminal activity that prohibition always calls into being. Simple reflection tells us that a supply invariably grows up to meet a demand; and when the demand is widespread, suppression is useless. Indeed, it is harmful, since—by raising the price of the commodity in question—it raises the profits of middlemen, which gives them an even more powerful incentive to stimulate demand further. The vast profits to be made from cocaine and heroin—which, were it not for their illegality, would be cheap and easily affordable even by the poorest in affluent societies—exert a deeply corrupting effect on producers, distributors, consumers, and law enforcers alike. Besides, it is well known that illegality in itself has attractions for youth already inclined to disaffection. Even many of the harmful physical effects of illicit drugs stem from their illegal status: for example, fluctuations in the purity of heroin bought on the street are responsible for many of the deaths by overdose. If the sale and consumption of such drugs were legalized, consumers would know how much they were taking and thus avoid overdoses.

Moreover, since society already permits the use of some mind-altering substances known to be both addictive and harmful, such as alcohol and nicotine, in prohibiting others it appears hypocritical, arbitrary, and dictatorial. Its hypocrisy, as well as its patent failure to enforce its prohibitions successfully, leads inevitably to a decline in respect for the law as a whole. Thus things fall apart, and the center cannot hold.

It stands to reason, therefore, that all these problems would be resolved at a stroke if everyone were permitted to smoke, swallow, or inject anything he chose. The corruption of the police, the luring of children of 11 and 12 into illegal activities, the making of such vast sums of money by drug dealing that legitimate work seems pointless and silly by comparison, and the turf wars that make poor neighborhoods so exceedingly violent and dangerous, would all cease at once were drug taking to be decriminalized and the supply regulated in the same way as alcohol.

But a certain modesty in the face of an inherently unknowable future is surely advisable. That is why prudence is a political virtue: what stands to reason should happen does not necessarily happen in practice. As Goethe said, all theory (even of the monetarist or free-market variety) is gray, but green springs the golden tree of life. If drugs were legalized, I suspect that the golden tree of life might spring some unpleasant surprises.

It is of course true, but only trivially so, that the present illegality of drugs is the cause of the criminality surrounding their distribution. Likewise, it is the illegality of stealing cars that creates car thieves. In fact, the ultimate cause of all criminality is law. As far as I am aware, no one has ever suggested that law should therefore be abandoned. Moreover, the impossibility of winning the “war” against theft, burglary, robbery, and fraud has never been used as an argument that these categories of crime should be abandoned. And so long as the demand for material goods outstrips supply, people will be tempted to commit criminal acts against the owners of property. This is not an argument, in my view, against private property or in favor of the common ownership of all goods. It does suggest, however, that we shall need a police force for a long time to come.

In any case, there are reasons to doubt whether the crime rate would fall quite as dramatically as advocates of legalization have suggested. Amsterdam, where access to drugs is relatively unproblematic, is among the most violent and squalid cities in Europe. The idea behind crime—of getting rich, or at least richer, quickly and without much effort—is unlikely to disappear once drugs are freely available to all who want them. And it may be that officially sanctioned antisocial behavior—the official lifting of taboos—breeds yet more antisocial behavior, as the “broken windows” theory would suggest.

Having met large numbers of drug dealers in prison, I doubt that they would return to respectable life if the principal article of their commerce were to be legalized. Far from evincing a desire to be reincorporated into the world of regular work, they express a deep contempt for it and regard those who accept the bargain of a fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay as cowards and fools. A life of crime has its attractions for many who would otherwise lead a mundane existence. So long as there is the possibility of a lucrative racket or illegal traffic, such people will find it and extend its scope. Therefore, since even legalizers would hesitate to allow children to take drugs, decriminalization might easily result in dealers turning their attentions to younger and younger children, who—in the permissive atmosphere that even now prevails—have already been inducted into the drug subculture in alarmingly high numbers.

Those who do not deal in drugs but commit crimes to fund their consumption of them are, of course, more numerous than large-scale dealers. And it is true that once opiate addicts, for example, enter a treatment program, which often includes maintenance doses of methadone, the rate at which they commit crimes falls markedly. The drug clinic in my hospital claims an 80 percent reduction in criminal convictions among heroin addicts once they have been stabilized on methadone.

This is impressive, but it is not certain that the results should be generalized. First, the patients are self-selected: they have some motivation to change, otherwise they would not have attended the clinic in the first place. Only a minority of addicts attend, and therefore it is not safe to conclude that, if other addicts were to receive methadone, their criminal activity would similarly diminish.

Second, a decline in convictions is not necessarily the same as a decline in criminal acts. If methadone stabilizes an addict’s life, he may become a more efficient, harder-to-catch criminal. Moreover, when the police in our city do catch an addict, they are less likely to prosecute him if he can prove that he is undergoing anything remotely resembling psychiatric treatment. They return him directly to his doctor. Having once had a psychiatric consultation is an all-purpose alibi for a robber or a burglar; the police, who do not want to fill in the 40-plus forms it now takes to charge anyone with anything in England, consider a single contact with a psychiatrist sufficient to deprive anyone of legal responsibility for crime forever.

Third, the rate of criminal activity among those drug addicts who receive methadone from the clinic, though reduced, remains very high. The deputy director of the clinic estimates that the number of criminal acts committed by his average patient (as judged by self-report) was 250 per year before entering treatment and 50 afterward. It may well be that the real difference is considerably less than this, because the patients have an incentive to exaggerate it to secure the continuation of their methadone. But clearly, opiate addicts who receive their drugs legally and free of charge continue to commit large numbers of crimes. In my clinics in prison, I see numerous prisoners who were on methadone when they committed the crime for which they are incarcerated.

Why do addicts given their drug free of charge continue to commit crimes? Some addicts, of course, continue to take drugs other than those prescribed and have to fund their consumption of them. So long as any restriction whatever regulates the consumption of drugs, many addicts will seek them illicitly, regardless of what they receive legally. In addition, the drugs themselves exert a long-term effect on a person’s ability to earn a living and severely limit rather than expand his horizons and mental repertoire. They sap the will or the ability of an addict to make long-term plans. While drugs are the focus of an addict’s life, they are not all he needs to live, and many addicts thus continue to procure the rest of what they need by criminal means.

For the proposed legalization of drugs to have its much vaunted beneficial effect on the rate of criminality, such drugs would have to be both cheap and readily available. The legalizers assume that there is a natural limit to the demand for these drugs, and that if their consumption were legalized, the demand would not increase substantially. Those psychologically unstable persons currently taking drugs would continue to do so, with the necessity to commit crimes removed, while psychologically stabler people (such as you and I and our children) would not be enticed to take drugs by their new legal status and cheapness. But price and availability, I need hardly say, exert a profound effect on consumption: the cheaper alcohol becomes, for example, the more of it is consumed, at least within quite wide limits.

I have personal experience of this effect. I once worked as a doctor on a British government aid project to Africa. We were building a road through remote African bush. The contract stipulated that the construction company could import, free of all taxes, alcoholic drinks from the United Kingdom. These drinks the company then sold to its British workers at cost, in the local currency at the official exchange rate, which was approximately one-sixth the black-market rate. A liter bottle of gin thus cost less than a dollar and could be sold on the open market for almost ten dollars. So it was theoretically possible to remain dead drunk for several years for an initial outlay of less than a dollar.

Of course, the necessity to go to work somewhat limited the workers’ consumption of alcohol. Nevertheless, drunkenness among them far outstripped anything I have ever seen, before or since. I discovered that, when alcohol is effectively free of charge, a fifth of British construction workers will regularly go to bed so drunk that they are incontinent both of urine and feces. I remember one man who very rarely got as far as his bed at night: he fell asleep in the lavatory, where he was usually found the next morning. Half the men shook in the mornings and resorted to the hair of the dog to steady their hands before they drove their bulldozers and other heavy machines (which they frequently wrecked, at enormous expense to the British taxpayer); hangovers were universal. The men were either drunk or hung over for months on end.

Sure, construction workers are notoriously liable to drink heavily, but in these circumstances even formerly moderate drinkers turned alcoholic and eventually suffered from delirium tremens. The heavy drinking occurred not because of the isolation of the African bush: not only did the company provide sports facilities for its workers, but there were many other ways to occupy oneself there. Other groups of workers in the bush whom I visited, who did not have the same rights of importation of alcoholic drink but had to purchase it at normal prices, were not nearly as drunk. And when the company asked its workers what it could do to improve their conditions, they unanimously asked for a further reduction in the price of alcohol, because they could think of nothing else to ask for.

The conclusion was inescapable: that a susceptible population had responded to the low price of alcohol, and the lack of other effective restraints upon its consumption, by drinking destructively large quantities of it. The health of many men suffered as a consequence, as did their capacity for work; and they gained a well-deserved local reputation for reprehensible, violent, antisocial behavior.

It is therefore perfectly possible that the demand for drugs, including opiates, would rise dramatically were their price to fall and their availability to increase. And if it is true that the consumption of these drugs in itself predisposes to criminal behavior (as data from our clinic suggest), it is also possible that the effect on the rate of criminality of this rise in consumption would swamp the decrease that resulted from decriminalization. We would have just as much crime in aggregate as before, but many more addicts.

The intermediate position on drug legalization, such as that espoused by Ethan Nadelmann, director of the Lindesmith Center, a drug policy research institute sponsored by financier George Soros, is emphatically not the answer to drug-related crime. This view holds that it should be easy for addicts to receive opiate drugs from doctors, either free or at cost, and that they should receive them in municipal injecting rooms, such as now exist in Zurich. But just look at Liverpool, where 2,000 people of a population of 600,000 receive official prescriptions for methadone: this once proud and prosperous city is still the world capital of drug-motivated burglary, according to the police and independent researchers.

Of course, many addicts in Liverpool are not yet on methadone, because the clinics are insufficient in number to deal with the demand. If the city expended more money on clinics, perhaps the number of addicts in treatment could be increased five- or tenfold. But would that solve the problem of burglary in Liverpool? No, because the profits to be made from selling illicit opiates would still be large: dealers would therefore make efforts to expand into parts of the population hitherto relatively untouched, in order to protect their profits. The new addicts would still burgle to feed their habits. Yet more clinics dispensing yet more methadone would then be needed. In fact Britain, which has had a relatively liberal approach to the prescribing of opiate drugs to addicts since 1928 (I myself have prescribed heroin to addicts), has seen an explosive increase in addiction to opiates and all the evils associated with it since the 1960s, despite that liberal policy. A few hundred have become more than a hundred thousand.

At the heart of Nadelmann’s position, then, is an evasion. The legal and liberal provision of drugs for people who are already addicted to them will not reduce the economic benefits to dealers of pushing these drugs, at least until the entire susceptible population is addicted and in a treatment program. So long as there are addicts who have to resort to the black market for their drugs, there will be drug-associated crime. Nadelmann assumes that the number of potential addicts wouldn’t soar under considerably more liberal drug laws. I can’t muster such Panglossian optimism.

The problem of reducing the amount of crime committed by individual addicts is emphatically not the same as the problem of reducing the amount of crime committed by addicts as a whole. I can illustrate what I mean by an analogy: it is often claimed that prison does not work because many prisoners are recidivists who, by definition, failed to be deterred from further wrongdoing by their last prison sentence. But does any sensible person believe that the abolition of prisons in their entirety would not reduce the numbers of the law-abiding? The murder rate in New York and the rate of drunken driving in Britain have not been reduced by a sudden upsurge in the love of humanity, but by the effective threat of punishment. An institution such as prison can work for society even if it does not work for an individual.

The situation could be very much worse than I have suggested hitherto, however, if we legalized the consumption of drugs other than opiates. So far, I have considered only opiates, which exert a generally tranquilizing effect. If opiate addicts commit crimes even when they receive their drugs free of charge, it is because they are unable to meet their other needs any other way; but there are, unfortunately, drugs whose consumption directly leads to violence because of their psychopharmacological properties and not merely because of the criminality associated with their distribution. Stimulant drugs such as crack cocaine provoke paranoia, increase aggression, and promote violence. Much of this violence takes place in the home, as the relatives of crack takers will testify. It is something I know from personal acquaintance by working in the emergency room and in the wards of our hospital. Only someone who has not been assaulted by drug takers rendered psychotic by their drug could view with equanimity the prospect of the further spread of the abuse of stimulants.

And no one should underestimate the possibility that the use of stimulant drugs could spread very much wider, and become far more general, than it is now, if restraints on their use were relaxed. The importation of the mildly stimulant khat is legal in Britain, and a large proportion of the community of Somali refugees there devotes its entire life to chewing the leaves that contain the stimulant, miring these refugees in far worse poverty than they would otherwise experience. The reason that the khat habit has not spread to the rest of the population is that it takes an entire day’s chewing of disgustingly bitter leaves to gain the comparatively mild pharmacological effect. The point is, however, that once the use of a stimulant becomes culturally acceptable and normal, it can easily become so general as to exert devastating social effects. And the kinds of stimulants on offer in Western cities—cocaine, crack, amphetamines—are vastly more attractive than khat.

In claiming that prohibition, not the drugs themselves, is the problem, Nadelmann and many others—even policemen—have said that “the war on drugs is lost.” But to demand a yes or no answer to the question “Is the war against drugs being won?” is like demanding a yes or no answer to the question “Have you stopped beating your wife yet?” Never can an unimaginative and fundamentally stupid metaphor have exerted a more baleful effect upon proper thought.

Let us ask whether medicine is winning the war against death. The answer is obviously no, it isn’t winning: the one fundamental rule of human existence remains, unfortunately, one man one death. And this is despite the fact that 14 percent of the gross domestic product of the United States (to say nothing of the efforts of other countries) goes into the fight against death. Was ever a war more expensively lost? Let us then abolish medical schools, hospitals, and departments of public health. If every man has to die, it doesn’t matter very much when he does so.

If the war against drugs is lost, then so are the wars against theft, speeding, incest, fraud, rape, murder, arson, and illegal parking. Few, if any, such wars are winnable. So let us all do anything we choose.

Even the legalizers’ argument that permitting the purchase and use of drugs as freely as Milton Friedman suggests will necessarily result in less governmental and other official interference in our lives doesn’t stand up. To the contrary, if the use of narcotics and stimulants were to become virtually universal, as is by no means impossible, the number of situations in which compulsory checks upon people would have to be carried out, for reasons of public safety, would increase enormously. Pharmacies, banks, schools, hospitals—indeed, all organizations dealing with the public—might feel obliged to check regularly and randomly on the drug consumption of their employees. The general use of such drugs would increase the locus standi of innumerable agencies, public and private, to interfere in our lives; and freedom from interference, far from having increased, would have drastically shrunk.

The present situation is bad, undoubtedly; but few are the situations so bad that they cannot be made worse by a wrong policy decision.

The extreme intellectual elegance of the proposal to legalize the distribution and consumption of drugs, touted as the solution to so many problems at once (AIDS, crime, overcrowding in the prisons, and even the attractiveness of drugs to foolish young people) should give rise to skepticism. Social problems are not usually like that. Analogies with the Prohibition era, often drawn by those who would legalize drugs, are false and inexact: it is one thing to attempt to ban a substance that has been in customary use for centuries by at least nine-tenths of the adult population, and quite another to retain a ban on substances that are still not in customary use, in an attempt to ensure that they never do become customary. Surely we have already slid down enough slippery slopes in the last 30 years without looking for more such slopes to slide down.
 
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no...current avg. price index of "hi" grade Marijuana as reported by the DEA, is roughly $350 - $500 per ounce...wholesaled at $4,800 per lb...

The DEA is a lousy source for such information because they can pretty much make up whatever they want.

High grade cannabis can be had in most markets for about $300-400 an oz, yes. But the pound price is much lower at between $2500-3000 depending on quantity purchased.

My source is numerous colleagues who deal legally under state laws in CA, OR, WA and BC
 
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Mark L (aka "joeC") is indeed an avid Prohibitionist, as he himself states in a previous post on Page 2.

It's a fairly simple question for any Reader At Large to consider.

Given that the illicit drug market is at least a $400Billion per year business in the Western Hemisphere, which is preferable?

a) The market is legal and subject to sensible regulation by a combination of private business and government oversight?

b) The market is illegal and 100% controlled by street dealers, criminal gangs and international cartels who actively market to minors, actively recruit minors to help them sell and who commit violence in the community against police and civilians alike.


MARK believes the answer to be "B".

The Reader at Large is invited to provide his own answer.

No need for lengthy "debates" or faux discussion. Just look at the two questions above and ask yourself which is preferable.
 
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Of course a legal and sensibly regulated market for drugs is preferable.

That's why today in North America, 99.99% (a literal, not a euphemistic percentage) of drugs, including the psychdelic intoxicant alcohol, the highly addictive tobacco and a long list of dangerous pharmaceuticals are LEGAL.

The reason is simple.

North Americans LOVE DRUGS.

They swallow them, drink them, smoke them, inject them and in a much smaller group even snort them.

North Americans LOVE DRUGS

98% of people reading this Thread will use one or more drugs within the next 24 hours.

And everyone prefers to use a legal, regulated system for obtaining their drugs of choice.

No one prefers to buy their drugs off the street from unregulated sources when a legal, regulated source is available.

I live in the most densely populated county in Florida (Pinellas with almost 1million residents).

Within a ten mile radius of my home there are literally several thousand drug dealers.

The vast majority are legal and regulated. The people and the national organizations for which I work have expanded that by changing drug laws in 23 states during the past 12 years alone.

The Prohibitionist would prefer that more are illegal and more are unregulated.
 
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The Reader at Large who agrees that "A" is the preferable method system for the production and commercial distribution of drugs is invited to lend your voice and your efforts to helping us further change North American drug laws for the better.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition http://leap.cc is an international organization with over 12,000 members. The majority are criminal justice professionals - cops, judges and others in the CJ field who understand that the policy of drug Prohibition empowers criminal enterprises and increases death, violent crime and disease within all our communities.

The Media Awareness Project http://www.mapinc.org is the world's largest website for drug policy news and information. Our activism training has empowered average citizens across North America to effectively educate mainstream media over the past 12 years to the point where there are very few newspaper editorial boards who will today advocate any increase in the so-called "War on Drugs". Rather, the majority of mainstream newspaper editorial boards now call for changes in status quo drug policies and are a major force in helping us continue to change current failed policies.

Both of the organizations above are non-profits. I work for MAPinc and also for LEAP and am happy to answer sincere inquiries and feedback via email

I can assist you in getting a LEAP criminal justice professional to speak in your community (church and civic groups most notably) and I can also assist you in getting your point of view on this important topic in front of mainstream media and mainstream media readers.

heath AT mapinc.org

and/or you're welcome to get to me by going straight to our Activism Center http://www.mapinc.org/resource/

Cheers

Steve
 
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Finally, until Mark (aka "JoeC) has the balls to present his POV regarding public drug policies to a real world live audience bigger than an internet forum with a couple dozen people, it's admittedly pretty damn hard to take him seriously.

I think once you realize he's pretty much kidding around with his long copy/pastes about how great Prohibition is, you'll find his rants a bit easier to skim past.
 
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Manny, You can't purchase 1LB of hi grade marijuana for $2,500 on the streets. Won't happen...The lowest absolute wholesale price is $4,ooo, but usually closer to $4,800... My sources are the "streets"...

Joe Contrarian, Are still around? seriously fuck off, you are an absolute moron and a sheep...Every point you make is an assumption, or worse, a flat out lie...go fuck yourself
 

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About the last 12 years I haven't really watched any TV.

When I go over someones house to be social they normally have the TV on and what really really struck me one time was the amount of Drug commercials on TV. Every other commercial they were pushing drugs.When they talked about the side effects, that part of the commercial would be longer than the rest. I was amazed and in awe, I mean every 2 minutes they were pushing drugs. You name the problem , they got a drug but you may "need to consult your pusher first" --sorry "doctor".


I forgot who said it (chris rock?).. Drugs are not illegal, they just want you to buy their drugs. That is so true .

We wil push ritalin on a kid -- to make them conform and behave- but a grown person can't make a decision to ingest, inject, or do whatever to their body.
As the article below demonstrates legal drugs can be used illegally too,and those doing so don't fit the usual stereotype of a "drug addict".
It sounds as though cognitive performance enhancement was not thought of as 1 of the uses for pharmaceuticals like Ritalin and Adderall,but since that could be a new potential market,drug companies will likely try to get approval for the additional "benefits".

Towards responsible use of cognitive-enhancing drugs by the healthy

From Nature:
Society must respond to the growing demand for cognitive enhancement. That response must start by rejecting the idea that 'enhancement' is a dirty word, argue Henry Greely and colleagues.
Today, on university campuses around the world, students are striking deals to buy and sell prescription drugs such as Adderall and Ritalin ? not to get high, but to get higher grades, to provide an edge over their fellow students or to increase in some measurable way their capacity for learning. These transactions are crimes in the United States, punishable by prison.

Many people see such penalties as appropriate, and consider the use of such drugs to be cheating, unnatural or dangerous. Yet one survey estimated that almost 7% of students in US universities have used prescription stimulants in this way, and that on some campuses, up to 25% of students had used them in the past year. These students are early adopters of a trend that is likely to grow, and indications suggest that they're not alone.

In this article, we propose actions that will help society accept the benefits of enhancement, given appropriate research and evolved regulation. Prescription drugs are regulated as such not for their enhancing properties but primarily for considerations of safety and potential abuse. Still, cognitive enhancement has much to offer individuals and society, and a proper societal response will involve making enhancements available while managing their risks.
Article continues at:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/456702a.html
 
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The reason our culture and economy is in such steep decline is because the ideologues/conspiracy nut jobs on the left can't/won't face reality.

This thread is a classic example...

Instead of refuting the empirical evidence that "legalizing all drugs" would essentially collapse what is left of modern civilization...

a) "Manny" the incurable cult-hoppin' junkie reverts back into his stale leftist talking points creating a manufactured reality -- then spends all his time and energy (I'm speaking of course of his George Soros' sponsored "Junkie R Us" campaign) ATTACKING his own imaginary concoction.

b) Road Dawg, Slim Shady and co. do what they do best: throw virtual feces hoping nobody notices.

Slim Shady: let me say this as emphatically as I possibly can.

Even by today's degenerating standards, you sir are !

Answer my question:

What kind of a narcissistic idiot subjects his mind, body and spirit to ANY harmful chemical for the expressed purpose of altering his emotional state?

:doh1

It's those psychedelic drugs that are robbing you of your freedoms and the opportunity to live a healthy, well balanced life -- not the laws that are needed to protect law-abiding citizens from your self-inflicted bondage.

Fools like you are easy to defraud out of large sums of money because your weakness is so patently transparent and inviting for any 'supplier' who is willing to cast his God-given moral compass and reasoning faculty into the same putrid rat hole.

Please seek professional help before you kill yourself and inflict further hardship on those who care about you.
 
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I will stop poking sticks through your cage long enough to point out that you are still completely missing the point. The "cure" you prefer to inflict on your fellow man--every spiraling incarceration--is worse than the dread "disease" of recreational drug use. And even more so because the "cure" you so vicariously enjoy inflicting on your fellow man does not seem to be very effective at achieving its stated goal--reducing recreational drug use.


Or maybe that's no longer the real goal anymore. . .

Anyway, this is your serious response for this year. . .Look out for that stick!!
 
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I will stop poking sticks through your cage long enough to point out that you are still completely missing the point. The "cure" you prefer to inflict on your fellow man--every spiraling incarceration--is worse than the dread "disease" of recreational drug use. And even more so because the "cure" you so vicariously enjoy inflicting on your fellow man does not seem to be very effective at achieving its stated goal--reducing recreational drug use.


Or maybe that's no longer the real goal anymore. . .

Anyway, this is your serious response for this year. . .Look out for that stick!!

4625, with all due respect, your "stick" needs a little sharpening.

*poke* Ouch...that hurt...you're killing me...please stop. :+textinb3

You, like so many in this thread, are attempting to solve a problem without understanding the essence of the issue (the root cause of drug abuse).

"Manny" Soros' sponsored 'crusade" is about as effective as a flea fart in a hurricane. Already having inflicted massive pain and hardship on his family with his years of drug abuse (an unbelievably selfish and destructive behavior he continues to this day) he now has the temerity to lecture unsuspecting minds on how to "solve" the drug crisis in America.

This is like never being able to hit a baseball off of a tee while continuing to hallucinate (yes, I use that term deliberately) hitting a grand slam off of a Roger Clemens fastball.

Folks, our problems will ALWAYS seem complex -- but only if we forget our principles. It is when we forget our God-given principles and ignore the purity of our God-given inner conscience that these kinds of issues seem to overtake us.

The cure for everything that ails America is simple. Simple but not easy.

Clear rational moral thinking

Notice I didn't say "legal thinking" as in debating the legalities of substance 'A' vs 'B.'

The mindless occupation with trivialities is a gift of the intellectually bankrupt left.

Morality and rationality are interdependent -- one cannot exist without the other...just as true wisdom cannot develop without the simultaneous fear and love of God.

No God, no wisdom.

So let's cut to the essence of the entire debate:

Can someone please tell me the logic, morality or sanity of poisoning one's mind, body and spirit with harmful substances for the expressed purpose of altering one's emotional state?

I'd like an intelligent coherent answer, please.

Stop living in your isolated world of denial and stop allowing your personal feelings to become slaves to the moral filth permeating our society.

* Junkies (and this includes alcoholics) are some of the most narcissistic individuals you could ever encounter.

* Junkies don't care about the massive pain (and abuse) they inflict on their loved ones.

* Junkies don't care about the widespread social fallout of their selfish voluntary behavior: massive societal health and crime related expenditures.

* Junkies don't even care about their own health or peace of mind.

* Junkies care only about one thing: their next cheap euphoric "high." -- and most will beg, borrow or burglarize to get it.

* Junkies would rather channel their sorrows and infantile interpretations of reality into a bottle, needle or spliff, than pursue the long hard road of lasting happiness in the form of intellectual enlightenment and old fashioned character development.

As a responsible self-sufficient FREE society, you and I have a moral duty to spit on their pathetic "woe is me" faces every opportunity we encounter.

Instead, what do we do?

We allow Hollywood to glorify this contemptible moral firth -- as if their low-life rebellious behavior and sexual perversions are values to be admired. As if "sex, drugs and rock and roll" have EVER provided the keys to long term happiness and peace.

The fact artists like Britney Spears continue to sell out their concerts; the fact that a junkie like Heath Ledger rose to stardom (in a homosexual cowboy movie, no less) are tell-tale signs our society suffers from a malignancy beyond any governmental "policy."

When will the drug war be won? When will drug abuse be marginalized?

Answer: When Americans decide they want their community(s) to reflect the values they know in their hearts to be morally right.

Stan up! Stand up and and FIGHT the nihilistic forces among us that our destroying our schools, our culture, our government, our economies, our values and way of life.

This is isn't about "right" vs "left" -- this is about RIGHT VS WRONG.

Ditch the modern brainwashed leftist "self esteem" and John Lennon stoned-out feeling-centric value system and learn to develop your critical rationally morally-thinking muscle.

Morality! Morality! Morality!

Is is so -- SO -- elementary my dear Watson. :thumbsup
 
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When High King Hussein's Socialist Stormtroopers are roaring though Toronto with their lists in order to provide "for the Greater Good" you will rue the day you forswore sniffing glue. . .
 
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Joe you are brainwashed...

Lets get a few things straight. Your calling me loser because i believe people should have personnal liberties, I believe in a free society, where there should be no laws against victimless crimes. I hold the same beliefs that our founding fathers had. Personnal choice, privacy, and personnal freedoms, so long as you do not commit acts of aggression, fraud, and make victims of people...

I fail to see a distinction between prescribed methadone, 1/5 of vodka, a pack of ciggs and marijuana or any other drug...

You don't belong in America Joe.

You may not like the choices some adults make, you may find them morally repugnant. But you can not pick and choose which freedoms people should have, based on your own moral code. That is the practice of dictatorships and communism. I am not saying you have to agree with peoples choices or even respect them, but it is not for you or the Federal Gov. to deny people thier GOD GIVEN LIBERTIES, GRANTED TO THEM BY THE UNITED STATES CONSTITION...You are afforded your opinions on this matter Joe under the same CONSTITUTION...But i urge you to be more thoughtful with your opinions, because your views are dangerous...

"Liberty," in case you've forgotten, is a soul's right to breathe. When it cannot take a long breath, laws are girded too tight. Without liberty, man is a syncope.
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ANd don't speak of Moralty to me. Morality is a very dangerous word...Your morals and my morals are different, you can't impose your morals on me, any more than i can on you.

Your religous and moral leaders commit some of the most haneous crimes known to man. I live 10 minutes form the HQ of Focus on the Family. I know all about there morals...

meth and gay sex! and hey i'm not judging, if a man wants to blow meth and then blow some dude go ahead, it's not my lifestyle choice, but he is not making a victim of me, therefore it is not my concern or obligation to do anything...Now if this same preacher blows a 12 year old boy(which your moral leaders do all the time) that is a different story...
 
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I see you have yet to answer my nagging question. Quelle surprise.

Slimshady,

Morality is not a dangerous word. On the contrary, it is quite liberating.

I (and millions of others) will keep preaching it until all the social outcasts who are poisoning our society are marginalized, humiliated and (hopefully) behind bars.

Truth is more contagious than homosexual AIDS and more addicting than crack-cocaine.

You have a very perverted view of liberty shared by a tiny fraction of the population. (Is this why the Losertarian party can't even capture 1% of the popular vote? :+clueless )

You have no "constitutional right" to participate in a criminal activity that ruins lives, tears apart families, skyrockets crime and poverty -- essentially massive widespread social unrest and instability.

Please seek professional help before the righteous strong arm of the law catches up with you.
 
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You see why he's not worth engaging, Van? His own mind imprisons him; he doesn't want to be free, and in his misery he desires nothing more than to share with others. . .
 
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You see why he's not worth engaging, Van? His own mind imprisons him; he doesn't want to be free, and in his misery he desires nothing more than to share with others. . .


Well put...

He is just confused with himself. In his own words, he allowed am internet stalker to change is views on drugs. That shows his mental fraility and instability...This is probably a man with lots of problems...
 
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Mark L (aka "joeC") gives us another 1000+ words of rant while avoiding the only question pertinent to the topic of 21st Century Prohibition

It's a fairly simple question for any Reader At Large to consider.

Given that the illicit drug market is at least a $400Billion per year business in the Western Hemisphere, which is preferable?

a) The market is legal and subject to sensible regulation by a combination of private business and government oversight?

b) The market is illegal and 100% controlled by street dealers, criminal gangs and international cartels who actively market to minors, actively recruit minors to help them sell and who commit violence in the community against police and civilians alike.


MARK believes the answer to be "B".

And the illegal drug dealers, street gangs and international criminal cartels give him a standing ovation.

The Reader at Large is invited to provide his own answer.

No need for lengthy "debates" or faux discussion. Just look at the two questions above and ask yourself which is preferable.
 
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And we'll continue to invite Mark to show some real balls by presenting his Hot Support for Prohibition to a real world audience that's bigger than a sports capping forum visited by (in case of EOG) about a dozen people.

Given that Mark lacks the courage to present his hot opinion to a real world audience, I think we can safely conclude he's not serious and is just kidding around with his faux moralistic lectures.

He's actually been free to post at the RxPoliticoPub for over a month now, but it's understandable why he doesn't want to go back. The collective grins of derision following his predictions of first a Fred Thompson presidency and then a John McCain beatdown of Obama have him likely feeling a bit emasculated
 
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b) The market is illegal and 100% controlled by street dealers said:
As you probably know, this also keeps the cost of the drugs artificially high. Now why does the US Government want to keep the prices on drugs high?

Because the Government and CIA are the biggest drug dealers on the planet...
 
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Nah...They're dwarfed by the combined muscle of the tobacco, alcohol and Rx-pharm companies who each in their own way enjoy virtual monopolies for legal production and distribution within the USA

And they flex that muscle in Wash DC by making sure that the extremely useful, potentially homegrown cannabis is not permitted to legally enter the market.

Fortunately, state by state we continue to make inroads. And of course Canada is moving closer and closer to just ending the war against cannabis, save for busting people who operate notable grow-ops in residential areas, oftentimes with hijacked electrical power.

Meanwhile, down South in Mexico where the illegal drug cartels have raised the level of violence against police & civilians to historic highs, look for the Mexican government to revisit the notion of decriminalizing and/or legalizing not only cannabis, but all in-demand drugs as a means to disempower the cartels. Former President Fox raised the notion as recently as three years ago but backed down when pressured by Wash DC.

Such pressure is possibly eased in coming eight years as the Obama administration - for whatever warts they may have - will not be kowtowing to the moralistic religious right.
 

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"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the[legal?]medicine go down,in a most delightful way..."
-Mary Poppins

Story comments below from:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...over-heroin-sugar-addiction-may-be-a-reality/

Bill Says:
<SMALL class=commentmetadata>December 14th, 2008 at 1:24 am </SMALL>
soon sugar will be banned and we will have sugar dealers on the streets where we will pay 20 or 25 dollars for a little baggie of that sweet stuff LMAO! Gimmie a break! Too much of anything is bad for you and one could claim addiction to many many different things! Get a fricken grip people!


Move Over, Heroin: ?Sugar Addiction? May Be a Reality

Many people who crave that mid-afternoon cookie fix may joke that they have a sugar addiction, but now scientists have made it official. Researchers at Princeton University report that sugar-loving mice demonstrate all three criteria of addiction: increased intake, withdrawal, and cravings that lead to relapse.

Previous work has shown that mice deprived of food for several hours and then allowed to binge on sugar water (with concentrations similar to that of soft drinks) soon developed addictive behaviors. Sugar intake causes the release of dopamine in the brain, a reward chemical. After a month of sugar binging and increased dopamine levels, the rats? brains developed fewer dopamine receptors and more opioid receptors?changes similar to those observed in mice on cocaine and heroine.

When their sugar supply was suddenly cut off, the mice exhibited signs of withdrawal, including teeth-chattering, anxiety, and refusing to leaving their tunnels. The latest research showed that when these mice were offered sugar once again, they worked harder to attain it and consumed more than ever.

Cookies today, cocaine tomorrow? We hope not, but that leftover Halloween stash could act as a sort of gateway drug, the researchers say. The changes in brain chemistry made the mice more susceptible to other forms of addiction: When the sugar-addicted mice were cut off from their sugar supply, they binged on alcohol instead.

Related Content:
DISCOVER: Is Overeating an Addiction?
DISCOVER: The Biology of? Addiction

o Says:
<SMALL class=commentmetadata>December 12th, 2008 at 11:13 pm </SMALL>
I believe it? Although I didn?t originally exhibit an addictive behavior towards sugar, I certainly did when I entered sober recovery after a three-year period of addiction to prescription opiates, *especially* once I quit smoking. Although exercise can help with the lack of dopamine stimuli, I still fight off strong cravings for sweets and soda ? and it is nearly as strong for me as nicotine.

You have to wonder if many of the heavily obese that just cannot seem to get their diet turned around have a real physiological dependence on sugar and/or fatty food.

Obviously, just like in the case of heroin or cocaine, that is NOT an excuse for their self-destructive behavior, but potentially they could create medicinal interventions in the future that would block the dopamine response to sugar and fatty foods much as the opiate antagonists do for opiates and the new drug ?chantax? does for nicotine.
 

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How do drugs/substances stack up in comparison to one another in various categories?
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:R..._(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

A rational scale to assess the harm of drugs. Data source is the March 24, 2007 article: Nutt, David, Leslie A King, William Saulsbury, Colin Blakemore. "Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse" The Lancet 2007; 369:1047-1053.
<TABLE class="prettytable sortable" id=sortable_table_id_0><TBODY><TR><TD>Drug </TD><TD>Mean Physical harm </TD><TD>Acute harm </TD><TD>Chronic harm </TD><TD>Intravenous harm </TD><TD>Mean Dependence </TD><TD>Pleasure </TD><TD>Psychological </TD><TD>Physical </TD><TD>Mean Social harm </TD><TD>Intoxication </TD><TD>Social harm </TD><TD>Health-care costs </TD></TR><TR><TD>Heroin</TD><TD>2.78</TD><TD>2.8</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>2.54</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>3.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cocaine</TD><TD>2.33</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>2.39</TD><TD>3.0</TD><TD>2.8</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>2.17</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>2.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>Barbiturates</TD><TD>2.23</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>2.01</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>2.2</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>2.00</TD><TD>2.4</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>1.7</TD></TR><TR><TD>Street methadone</TD><TD>1.86</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>2.08</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>1.87</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>2.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>Alcohol</TD><TD>1.40</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>2.4</TD><TD>NA</TD><TD>1.93</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>2.21</TD><TD>2.2</TD><TD>2.4</TD><TD>2.1</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ketamine</TD><TD>2.00</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>1.54</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>1.69</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.5</TD></TR><TR><TD>Benzodiazepines</TD><TD>1.63</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>1.83</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>1.65</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.5</TD></TR><TR><TD>Amphetamine</TD><TD>1.81</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>2.4</TD><TD>1.67</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>1.50</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.6</TD></TR><TR><TD>Tobacco</TD><TD>1.24</TD><TD>0.9</TD><TD>2.9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.21</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>2.6</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>1.42</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>2.4</TD></TR><TR><TD>Buprenorphine</TD><TD>1.60</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>1.64</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.49</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.4</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cannabis</TD><TD>0.99</TD><TD>0.9</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.51</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>1.50</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.5</TD></TR><TR><TD>Solvents</TD><TD>1.28</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.01</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>0.1</TD><TD>1.52</TD><TD>1.9</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.2</TD></TR><TR><TD>4-MTA</TD><TD>1.44</TD><TD>2.2</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.30</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>1.06</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>1.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>LSD</TD><TD>1.13</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>0.3</TD><TD>1.23</TD><TD>2.2</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>0.3</TD><TD>1.32</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.1</TD></TR><TR><TD>Methylphenidate</TD><TD>1.32</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.25</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>0.97</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>1.1</TD></TR><TR><TD>Anabolic steroids</TD><TD>1.45</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>0.88</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>1.13</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>1.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>GHB</TD><TD>0.86</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.19</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>1.30</TD><TD>1.4</TD><TD>1.3</TD><TD>1.2</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ecstasy</TD><TD>1.05</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.13</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>0.7</TD><TD>1.09</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD>1.1</TD></TR><TR><TD>Alkyl nitrites</TD><TD>0.93</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>0.9</TD><TD>0.3</TD><TD>0.87</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>0.7</TD><TD>0.3</TD><TD>0.97</TD><TD>0.8</TD><TD>0.7</TD><TD>1.4</TD></TR><TR><TD>Khat</TD><TD>0.50</TD><TD>0.3</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.04</TD><TD>1.6</TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>0.3</TD><TD>0.85</TD><TD>0.7</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>0.8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Drug classification: making a hash of it? Appendix 14
The Lancet 2007; 369:1047-1053
 
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Innocents Die in the Drug War

By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY

Of all the casualties claimed by the U.S. "war on drugs" in Latin America, perhaps none so fully captures its senselessness and injustice as the 2001 CIA-directed killing of Christian missionary Veronica Bowers and her daughter Charity in Peru.

No one is suggesting that the CIA intentionally killed Mrs. Bowers and her baby. It was an accident. But according to Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R., Mich.), it was an accident waiting to happen because of the way in which the CIA operated the drug interdiction plan in Peru known as the Airbridge Denial Program. Mr. Hoekstra says the goods to prove his charge are in a classified report from the CIA Inspector General that he received in October.

Under the program, initiated by President Clinton, the CIA was charged with identifying small civilian aircraft suspected of carrying cocaine over Peru on a path to Colombia, and directing the Peruvian military to force them down.

Strict procedures were put in place to minimize the risks to innocents. But after viewing the IG report, Mr. Hoekstra -- the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee -- says that it is clear that those procedures had gone out the window long before the April 20, 2001 tragedy.

On that day the Bowers family was flying in a single-engine plane over the Amazon toward their home in Iquitos. Mrs. Bowers was holding the infant on her lap when a bullet fired by the Peruvian Air Force, under direction of the CIA, hit the aircraft, traveled through her back and into Charity's skull. The plane crash-landed on the Amazon River. Mr. Bowers, his young son and the pilot survived. Neither the plane nor its passengers were found to be involved in any way in the drug business and initial reports said that the mistaken attack was a tragic one-time error.

The IG report looked at the Airbridge Denial Program from its inception in 1995 until its termination in 2001 and took seven years to complete. In statements to the press last month Mr. Hoekstra said it demonstrates every one of the 15 "shootdowns" that the CIA participated in over the life of the program had "violations of required procedures." He also said that the report "found that CIA officers knew of and condoned the violations, fostering an environment of negligence and disregard for the procedures."

Equally troubling, the congressman says, is the IG finding that after the tragedy there was an attempt to cover up what had been going on in Peru. He has also said that the IG report finds that there were "unauthorized modifications" made to "the presidentially mandated intercept procedures by people who had no authority to do so" and that "there was effectively no legal oversight of the program." He further charges that "there is evidence that CIA officials made false or misleading statements to Congress," and that "the CIA denied Congress, the NSC [National Security Council] and the Department of Justice access to key findings of internal reviews that established and documented the sustained and significant violations of the required procedures."

"It was a rogue operation," he told me by telephone on Tuesday. "They knew they weren't following the rules, and they never did anything about it. They were callous about it." When I asked him to explain further, he said: "My take on this is that they became obsessed with the mission."

The CIA says that director Michael Hayden has "recognized the seriousness of [the report's] findings" and "is absolutely committed to a process looking at systemic issues and accountability that is as thorough and fair as possible." The office of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D., Texas) won't comment on the report. But Mr. Hoekstra is calling for more of it to be declassified and for the Justice Department to review "whether further criminal investigation is warranted."

Yet to honor the memory of Mrs. Bowers and her daughter and spare innocent lives in the future, a broader discussion in Congress about U.S. drug policy in the region is needed.

Consider the fact that Mr. Clinton's justification for the Airbridge Denial Program was that drug trafficking was a threat to Peruvian national security. Of course it was: Prohibition naturally produces powerful criminal networks that undermine the rule of law. But as a 2001 Senate Intelligence Committee report found, the drug runners learned to avoid detection by altering their routes via Brazil. It also found that while Peru's coca business shrank, Colombia's took off.

Since then, U.S. interdiction has put the pressure on Colombia and the problem is now resurging in Peru. The latest reports are that Mexican cartels are teaming up with remnants of the Shining Path terror network to rebuild the business, proving once again the futility of the supply-side attack as a way of minimizing drug use in the U.S.

Write to O'Grady@wsj. com

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War on drugs drives surge in Arizona heroin use
December 15, 2:19 PM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


It's too early to call it a new drug of choice, but the ranks of heroin users appear to be growing here in Arizona. The local emergency room -- in a rural area -- is accustomed to a steady flow of meth heads. But it's now seeing the occasional heroin user, with more expected. As often happens, fanciers of illicit intoxicants are responding to the marketplace, turning to a fresh flow of inexpensive opiates as prices rise for their old preferred means of getting high.

KVOA news recently reported: <dl><dd>The Northwest commmunity and the foothills are becoming hotspots for black tar heroin use according to some law enforcement officials.
</dd><dd>The mother of a former heroin addict tells us, "It was so bad and so infested in the foothills, the drug dealers actually come to the end of the street." </dd></dl>At about the same time, the East Valley Tribune said, "In the last year, there has been a 200 percent increase in heroin trafficking arrests."

The actual number of users involved is small, but the growth in heroin use in Arizona bucks a national trend. Across the country, "The number of current heroin users decreased from 338,000 in 2006 to 153,000 in 2007," according to the latest National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

But that decrease among heroin users was a minor blip in drug-use numbers that have remained remarkably static for years. No matter what anti-drug initiative has been pursuded, despite all the widely proclaimed busts, use of illicit intoxicants has remained at roughly constant levels.



If drug use has remained relatively steady over the years, with a recent downward blip in heroin use across the U.S., why are Arizonans switching their brand loyalty from meth to heroin?

It's all a matter of availability.

Earlier this year, the Tucson Citizen reported: <dl><dd>Adding to the drug's lure are the climbing street prices of methamphetamine and cocaine, caused by a crackdown on smugglers of both of those drugs by authorities on both sides of the border, local and federal drug investigators say. </dd></dl>While the price for meth rises, a single hit of black-tar heroin costs $10 on the streets of Tucson.

The Department of Justice's National Drug Threat Assessment for 2009 says (PDF): <dl><dd>Heroin production trends in Mexico and Colombia, the two primary sources of heroin in the United States, have diverged as Mexican heroin production has increased and Colombian heroin production has decreased. ...
</dd><dd>In fact, Mexican heroin production increased 105 percent from 1999 (8.8 MT) to 2007 (18.0 MT). </dd></dl>During those years, the U.S. government pumped $5 billion into anti-drug efforts through Plan Colombia. The money failed to scratch cocaine production, which increased -- but heroin production, in fact, dropped by about 50%.

Mexican drug suppliers picked up the slack by increasing their own heroin production, as well as the purity of their product, from 21% in 2001 to 30% in 2006. Heroin became more available and higher quality from Mexican sources even as the drug warriors focused their efforts on methamphetamine and cocaine. And Arizona shares a border with and serves as a smuggling route for, Mexico.

Hence the surge in heroin use in Arizona, where the stuff is suddenly cheap and abundant.

That's the drug war for you. It can't actually reduce the number of people who choose to use illegal drugs. But it can invoke the laws of economics and get drug entrepreneurs to take advantage of new markets and consumers to respond to rock-bottom prices and surging availability.

Who ever would have guessed?

http://www.examiner .com/x-536- Civil-Liberties- Examiner~ y2008m12d15- War-on-drugs- drives-surge- in-Arizona- heroin-use
 
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Cheyene Mtn. High School here in Colo. Spgs., has just arrested several people that were dealing Black Tar Heroin in the school. Lots of kids were involved..

Cheyenne Mtn High School, is the wealthiest school in the city, very rich neighborhood...
 
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War on drugs That's the drug war for you. It can't actually reduce the number of people who choose to use illegal drugs. But it can invoke the laws of economics and get drug entrepreneurs to take advantage of new markets and consumers to respond to rock-bottom prices and surging availability.


No true'r statement has ever been written
 
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I had a Morphine drip during the recovery from an operation. It was by far the best drug experience I ever had, and I would recommend Morphine to one and all at any time for any reason or no reason. If Heroin is anything close to what I experienced with the Morphine, there is absolutely no chance in hell that the "War Against Ourselves" will ever come close to being successful. . .
 
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Drugs have been a part of human life since the beginning...They aren't going anywhere...

Legalize. privatize and regulate like everything else...
 
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Our Drug War Next Door
By Clarence Page

Before you venture into Ciudad Juarez, brace yourself to hear Texans tell you that you're crazy.

Visiting friends in neighboring El Paso a few days before Christmas, I was immediately warned, "Don't even think about going into Juarez."

Just across the shallow creek known as the Rio Grande from El Paso, one of the safest cities of its size in the nation, Juarez is a city under siege, the worst victim of Mexico's growing wars between drug cartels.

The tragedy is etched in daily news headlines. The same day I arrived, two Mexican police offers were ambushed, shot to death while sitting in their patrol car. Just another bloody day in Juarez.

Hardly a day goes by without a new Juarez horror story in the El Paso Times:

"Man found dead with hands severed."
"Prominent Juarez lawyer, son, among four found dead Tuesday."

"Man found shot to death in trash drum."

"El Paso charities afraid to cross border."

"Juarez area slayings top 20 in new year."


Murders across Mexico more than doubled last year to more than 5,600. That's more than the total Americans lost so far in the Iraq war.

Most of those murders have been happening in border towns. More than 1,600 were killed in Juarez, Mexico's fourth largest city, with a population of 1.7 million. The bloodbath of unspeakable brutality includes kidnappings and decapitated bodies left in public places as a grisly form of advertising.

"There have already been 20 murders in Juarez this year," Beto O'Rourke, a member of El Paso's city council, told me in a telephone interview this week as President-elect Barack Obama met with Mexico's President Felipe Calderon Monday. "That doesn't include the kidnappings and extortions. Ciudad Juarez is essentially a failed city at this point. They can't guarantee your safety."

The situation is deteriorating so fast that "Mexico is on the edge of abyss," retired four-star Gen. Barry McCaffrey, a drug czar under President Clinton, said.

"It could become a narco-state in the coming decade," he wrote in a recent report, and the result could be a "surge of millions of refugees" crossing the U.S. border to escape.

Something drastic needed to be done, O'Rourke, a fourth-generation El Paso resident, decided. A proposed city council resolution called for more federal action on both sides of the border to reduce the flow of guns and drugs.

But it wasn't strong enough. O'Rourke pushed things further by adding 12 words: "supporting an honest, open, national debate on ending the prohibition on narcotics." The council passed it unanimously.

Yet even a bid to talk about drug legalization was too much for Mayor John Cook. He vetoed the bill, at least partly out of concern that Washington might not take the measure seriously with the drug legalization line in it.

Nevertheless, the controversy brought what has been rare American media attention to Mexico's crisis by turning it into radio and cable TV talk fodder. That's a start.

Obama promised more American help to Calderon in a meeting that focused on trade, immigration and the drug war. President Bush successfully pushed the Merida initiative, a $1.4 billion security package to help Mexico with high-tech equipment and anti-drug training.

The first $400 million, approved by Congress last year, has begun to flow. But the rest of the funds could be slowed by the many other financial pressures this country and the incoming Obama administration faces.

And Calderon faces mounting pressures on his two-year-old campaign against drug and gun smuggling. The campaign that actually touched off much of the fighting between the cartels. It has also exposed corruption that reached the highest levels of his government. Even a member of his security team has been arrested for allegedly feeding information to the cartels in exchange for money.

When you step back and take a broad look at Mexico's growing carnage, it's easy to see why El Paso's city leaders think legalization doesn't look so bad. Mexico's drug problem is not the drugs. It is the illegality of the drugs.

Legalization is not the perfect solution. But treating currently illegal drugs in the way we treat liquor and other legal addictive substances would provide regulation, tax revenue and funds for rehabilitation programs. Most satisfying, it would wipe a lot of smiles off the current drug lords' faces.

Page is a Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist specializing in urban issues. He is based in Washington, D.C. E-mail: cptime@aol.com
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Re: Legalize All Drugs

Contrarian-

With all due respect, and i am saying with all due respect, your post was one of the most close minded, offensive, simple minded things i have ever read on this topic...

The War on Drugs, like the War on Terror, is hoax, a fraud, a tool to be used and manipulated. You ridicule, call people offensive names, and worst, you cast judgement upon people whom you have no right...

You "used" to have Libertarian views on the drug issue? Then some internet stalker changed your views? The old you, should come smack some sense in the new you, as you have clearly lost your way...

Fact of this matter is very simple:

In a truly free society, there should be no laws to protect an individual from himself.

Joe Contrarian, you do not have the authority to tell another grown adult what she may or may not partake in. Half of the world can't figure out what makes the other half happy.

The US Federal Government does not have the authority to outlaw all drugs. That is illegal, not to mention unconstitutional...


Change your name from Joe Contrarian to Joe Sheep like it should be...

fuck you very much and all who share your offensive, simple minded views


WHAT HE SAID:thumbsup
 
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